Welcome to Betr Member Stories! This week we had on member Joan Fee, who shared with us a wealth of knowledge.

Caren DeCesaris:

I’m super excited to have you here. And I would love for you to just share a little bit about yourself, who you are, where you live, and what you do.

Joan Fee:

Joan Fee. And I live on the beautiful Central Coast of California. And I teach art and craft projects throughout the county. And it’s my passion. It’s my joy. And I’m just enjoying myself. And through Betr, I’m enjoying myself more.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. Awesome. I love it. I can’t wait to dive in all of it. So you were telling me a little bit before we started about what you do, your background. Let’s hear a little bit about that. What your passion is.

Joan Fee:

I’ve done everything. People are always shocked. I worked for the IRS, working with large corporations doing audits and things down in San Diego and Long Beach when I worked down there. I was at Navy wife. And so we moved a little bit, but I thought I’d see the world. But we lived in California the whole time. And being a native Californian, I was hoping to go a little bit someplace else. But so then after that, he got out of the Navy, and he wanted to work in aerospace. So we worked at Vandenberg Air Force Base. He was launching missiles. I was working in the support department, had a secret clearance, and was totally not up my alley. I was getting a business degree while I worked full time, and we just bought a new house. So we were doing the yard and all that fun stuff. So stress has started. And back when I got married, this is part of my Betr health story, is I weighed 163. So as stresses came in-

Caren DeCesaris:

And how long ago was that?

Joan Fee:

1979.

Caren DeCesaris:

Okay. All right. We’re in 2021 right now.

Joan Fee:

So 40 some years later. So stresses, Navy wife, just always been heavy. And so the weight started coming on as I had pressures on the job. Like I said, I had a secret clearance. I was handling secret data for all those missiles and things that were going up. Going to school full time, getting our first house. And health and exercise was not a priority.

Joan Fee:

So then, after 25 years, a divorce came. So I have been moved up to the Central Coast of California. Oh, I did forget that one part in there. After I was done with aerospace and got my degree, it’s like, okay, what does life have to offer? It has to be more than sitting in an office doing what I’m doing. So one Saturday morning, I was watching television, taking some me time, drinking some tea. And on came a craft show. And come to find out, it was only 20 miles from where I lived. And I submitted a project idea, and they invited me to come on to the show to demonstrate it. And I was petrified. And the weight is always an issue in your mind if you’re overweight. That really messes with your self-esteem and stuff. So I really struggled with that. I struggled with it on television for eight years. And the weight issue is tough. So right now I’m happy with where I’m at.

Joan Fee:

So did the craft industry, television shows, became the magazine editor. It was many hats. Again, very stressful. And since I took my passion of crafting and put it into work, it was no longer a passion for me. So I no longer had any kind of release. So yeah, I found other ways to do that. So from there, that’s when the divorce happened, and I went to work for another craft company. And after a while, I was done with that.

Joan Fee:

And my parents owned this house that I was living in, and they were renting it out. And I’d come back from a vacation over here. And I said, “You know, Mom and Dad, if that house ever becomes available again, I would like first dibs on it.” So two weeks later, I get the phone call from my mom that it’s become available. So my life changed. It’s been about 12 years ago. So now I teach art and craft classes throughout the county. So it’s just been a very… I have to look at kind of my nine lives over my life.

Caren DeCesaris:

And it’s kind of nice to be able to share it with people because you get to actually take a look at it because we don’t often do that, right? We don’t think about, wow-

Joan Fee:

I’ll get out my resume for some very odd reason. It’s like, wow. You just have to step back and look at the things you have accomplished in your life.

Caren DeCesaris:

You have to. And even, I mean, it’s so nice. A resume is so official, right? But when you get to share it with someone, you get to think about the personal things that you’ve overcome, that you’ve learned from. And then here you are. It’s developed who you are now. And there’s so many things I want to touch on from what you said. So first of all, I love seeing the emotion in your face from the excitement of… What I really want to dive into is, you mentioned when you were working in media, the weight was a thing that made you maybe self-conscious, didn’t make you feel great. It sounds like you were still doing great in the industry, but what is the difference that you feel now just in your being and how you’re showing up in the world, how you’re showing up in your interactions from the difference of that person that you, that character that you were at that point-

Joan Fee:

Character, that’s exactly it.

Caren DeCesaris:

… yeah, versus who you are now? Because it’s same person, just two different beings. So what’s the difference you feel?

Joan Fee:

I’m a lot like a lot of people out there. I yo-yo dieted. I did really good. And then I gained back the 35, 40 pounds. And I’d lug that around. But I always had to fake that smile. I always had to pep myself up before I went on TV because you’re supposed to be smiley. You’re supposed to be selling these people these products and these projects that you’re creating. So I struggled with that. And that became more of a stress factor for me so then I would eat. I remember one day eating a bag of potato chips in between the segments that I did. It was just that’s the way I did it. That’s the way I coped. With bad marriage, probably the same thing, too. Lots of chocolate and bad things.

Joan Fee:

But so I’ve only been on Betr, this is my fourth week. So I just feel so different. Eating all that junk food and that crap in my past, my stomach was always a hot mess. It was, okay, how long can I be gone before I need a bathroom or whatever. And I’ve never eaten that well. I mean, this is such a transition for me. I mean, all the fruits, all the vegetables. And Dr. Farrow mentioned about 90% of your serotonin comes from your gut. I believe that. Because even after the first week I’m going, oh, okay. And if my stomach has settled down, I’m going okay. I can breathe. I can have fun. It’s just-

Caren DeCesaris:

And it’s a beautiful thing that once you actually can learn that, you’re more aware of it. And then you can connect the two. You can realize. Plus it also makes you want to eat better because then you know, oh, when I’m putting better things in my belly, it’s allowing more happy to literally be produced inside of me.

Joan Fee:

Exactly. And just the foods are so good. I mean, I’ve been single a long time. It’s like I didn’t cook this way before.. especially if I taught classes, it’s like, okay, let’s go pick up something on the way home instead of, oh, let’s go grocery shopping. So yeah, I was not taking care of myself. But now it’s taking care of myself. And the realization the first week, it was my mom’s 88th birthday. So you have to have birthday cake and a little ice cream with your mom. Which I did, but I didn’t overindulge. And it was a treat. And I slowed down and I looked at it as this is a treat. This is not something that you have every day in your life, which was something I was doing throughout my life. So I’m anxious to get my A1C down and things like that. But I am, at this very moment, I was married in 1979, and I am three pounds from my weight when I was in 1979.

Caren DeCesaris:

I love that.

Joan Fee:

So I’m excited about that. And like I said, the stressors. I probably started gaining weight within six months of when I got married. So I have never been in this weight range for 40 years.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. And now you have new tools. I mean, because you’ve obviously grown emotionally, mentally. So now you’re back at this weight. But you’re also, it sounds like your mindset’s a little different around it. So how do you feel that Betr has kind of helped you see a different mindset when it comes to food, when it comes to eating? Because you mentioned looking at the cake and not really needing to indulge in all of it, but allowed yourself to enjoy it. So how do you feel like Betr Health has helped you reframe the way you’ve seen so far? I mean, just so far in your program.

Joan Fee:

The prep work. Because if I was teaching classes now, which I’m not, but have that available in the fridge. So you go, oh, I’ve got those awesome sloppy Joes at home. I can add tomatoes on the side or something else, and I’m ready to go. Instead of stopping at McDonald’s and getting a hamburger and french fries and a soda. It’s like, okay, I’m prepared. I know that something is there waiting for me. And I’m also looking at, “It’s better, it’s not perfect,” Dr. Farrow said. And it’s very true.

Joan Fee:

It’s like, okay, when I am able to see my mom here in a month, I’m going to go take her, us, our favorite ice cream from a local old creamery that’s been in business over 100 years, and we’re going to enjoy that. I’m not going to indulge in it. And I’ve discovered, say a new little produce company right down the street from me that does organic. I’m going, okay, I’ve been in there once before, but now it’s just, oh my gosh, fruit just tastes so awesome. It’s like there’s no sugar craving anymore. It’s like, oh, this apple is really awesome. And it’s also the stopping and slowing down it actually tasting it and chewing it, and being mindful of the food. So that’s a big deal for me, especially the person who was on the iPad or checking her to-do list as she was sitting there eating lunch.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. It sounds like you’ve taken away a lot of good things, especially from Dr. Farrow, which he shares a ton of great information. But that better not perfect, that is a huge thing. I mean, that’s one of those things that sounds like for you it was where you hear something that you’ve maybe heard a million other times in a million other ways, but it just kind of clicks at a certain point. And it’s just like, wow, that’s giving me permission to just eat. To just eat, to not have to make it a chore, to not have to make it or this or that. But now I actually want to learn a new way. Just it’s easy. It doesn’t have to be perfect. It could just be better.

Joan Fee:

And the recipes are so simple. I’m one of these cooks, if it has more than five ingredients, I’m done. But I mean the sloppy Joes, I mean, you put in the five ingredients or whatever. You have the Italian seasonings that are all together. And in a few minutes you have that. And I make enough so that I can freeze it and just go, okay, I’ve got that in there.

Caren DeCesaris:

That’s a good idea.

Joan Fee:

I can have that next week too.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. Yeah. So you feel like so far you’ve learned a lot about kind of organization and learning how to prep?

Joan Fee:

Yes, absolutely. And you buy one of those big tubs of lettuce, those will last you a week. And I was like, okay, I don’t have to think about that. I just have to serve it, and put some protein on it, and another side and stuff. And it’s kind of a no brainer. Not a whole lot of thought process to it once you get into it. It’s intimidating in the beginning. Before I started I was like, holy cow, this is a lot of information. But once you get into it, it’s like, okay, this makes sense now.

Joan Fee:

A lot of things, I’m diabetic. And about a year, year and a half ago, my A1C was 8.1. I believe. So scared me. I’ve been trying to get it down for the last year. So that’s my goal. And a lot of myths, a lot of information I had about diabetes, the don’t eat oranges, don’t eat bananas, don’t eat pasta. Well, we’re not eating pasta yet. And the orange juice, the adrenal drink. I’m going okay. But my numbers are doing fine. So I’m excited about it. I mean, all these myths are just kind of getting blown out of the water for me as a diabetic.

Caren DeCesaris:

That’s awesome. That’s great. And it’s kind of about just focusing on one thing, right? Instead of there’s so much information in the world. So when you can just focus on one thing, do one thing, and then just try that one thing, then it kind of clears the way. And that’s the great thing about Betr, is that we actually are clearing the way, right? We’re clearing your system, we’re creating more just openness in it so that you can explore what you can actually have and what actually works for you, rather than just reading it in a book and thinking, oh no, I can’t have that ever again.

Joan Fee:

Something that I’m so surprised about is the anxiety and the stress level going so way down. Again, I think it’s my gut. And I had three kind of major things happen last week. My computer, I spilled a glass of water on it, and so it fried it. So then my computer guy wasn’t available for a week. Normally I’d be freaking out, going, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? And it’s just like, oh, okay. And so it was a nice relaxing week because I didn’t have a computer and I couldn’t get any of the work done.

Caren DeCesaris:

That’s a huge thing. That’s a huge thing.

Joan Fee:

And then I fell. It was just kind of like, okay, get yourself up, make sure you haven’t broken anything, make sure you’re not bleeding anywhere. It’s just like, okay, go sit on the couch. And then I saw my mom one day, and I felt as though she was giving up at 88. And that just really weighed on my heart. But I have since talked to her, and she’s fine. She just must have had a really, really bad day. But it’s like those stressors, it’s just kind of, I don’t know, see a little bit more logically, a little bit more clearly that things are going to be okay. And I was a very anxious person. Doing TV, it was like the night before I was a hot mess. I’m just going, okay, calm yourself down. You can do this. But it’s kind of like, okay. Yeah.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. So when’s the last time you can say that you felt that way?

Joan Fee:

I don’t remember. I really don’t.

Caren DeCesaris:

It’s almost like a new version of yourself you’re seeing. That you’re meeting.

Joan Fee:

People say, oh, they’re searching for happiness or whatever. I think my happiness was in my gut, and eating well and taking care of myself.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. Well, like you mentioned, it’s like you can see more clearly. You can feel more clearly. So once your gut is more clear, right, then you can see more clearly. And I mean, I totally understand that. And I’m sure many of the listeners will understand that feeling of, like you mentioned, when you were doing the TV appearances, when you ate a bag of chips in between, it’s almost like a cover upper, right.? It’s like I don’t know what else to do. I don’t want to feel this. I just want to tune out. I just want to tune out. But we want to do that because our gut is so messy, we don’t even know… It’s like, ah, how do I clean it, right? But with Betr it’s been like, when you do three days, how did you feel after the first three days?

Joan Fee:

Day number two, very lethargic. And I just drank more water and talked to my coach and stuff. And then after that, it’s like, holy cow. I mean, my energy is incredible. I’ve been waking up earlier, going to bed at the same time, but waking up earlier and just going throughout the day. Going, going, going. And I shouldn’t say cheated, but I started walking because I couldn’t take it. Because I’ve been walking basically last 20, 30 years, but more so in the last year. So I was like, okay, I don’t want to lose that momentum. So I did that and I’d go for a walk. And it’s a life changer. And I’m not here to… But it really is. I’m amazed. And happiness. I mean, it’s like, okay, there is happiness in life because most of my life I haven’t seen that. So maybe hope. I don’t know. Fun. Doing stuff for myself. Never took myself as a priority. I was always too busy. So that’s good.

Caren DeCesaris:

And I can hear it in your voice. I can see it in your being. I can see that you’re almost taking back your power, and that’s a huge thing. And that’s crazy to think about just food can do that for you, right? We are humans. How does food take us over, right? But just something as simple as changing your gut.

Joan Fee:

I mean, adding in vegetables.

Caren DeCesaris:

Feeling your gut. And yeah. So what is the difference then? What are the results that you’ve seen from other things that you’ve done? Other programs you’ve tried or other diets you’ve tried. What was the trend you kind of saw after?

Joan Fee:

Probably 30 years ago, I did Atkins, keto today. Did very well. My ex and I did it together. We did very well. I kept that off a very long time. In fact, I was on TV, and I kept on getting letters. What are you doing? What’s your program? And then, life got in the way, stressors. I had weighed 250 pounds at my highest. So being down 85 pounds. And I’m thinking, I keep on looking on the internet, what does a 12 year old child weigh? And I was like I got a 12 year old child that I had carried around all those years attached to me.

Caren DeCesaris:

Wow, that’s crazy to think about.

Joan Fee:

You think that weight. And I’m going how did I do that? I’m just thinking no wonder I was tired, no wonder I was fatigued. But junk food and stuff was my family norm. So it was just always a way of life and a way of coping.

Caren DeCesaris:

So do you think that, moving forward, like you said you kept it off for a while with the Atkins diet, but then life got in the way, if the same circumstances were to happen down the road, how can you see your reaction changing this time?

Joan Fee:

Reaction changing. Let me back up just a tiny bit. So I gained some weight back on keto, kept that off a long time, years. And then last year for six months, I did keto, and I dropped probably 15 pounds. But then for six months I stayed at the same weight. I mean, I was eating the food, too much of the diabetic chocolate probably. But I stabilized and I couldn’t go down. So that’s when the Betr Health program came along. I was like, okay, I’m going to try this. And I expected adding in all the fruits and all of that stuff that I would gain weight immediately, but I did not. And I enjoyed it so much. I think I have the tools now to move forward in the future. In fact, my mom, 88 years old, as soon as I have all my shots, then I’m going to go and stay with her for a month. And I thought, she has horrible headaches and they can’t figure out what it is. So I’m thinking, I wonder if we could go on level one for even couple of weeks, and see if she feels better.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. You’re turning into their own coach.

Joan Fee:

The thing is I don’t even think she’d realize it because the orange, the apples. Maybe she’d have a cookie or two here and there. But I think I have the tools. And they’re normal tools, they’re healthy tools. The things I’ve done in the past are not healthy, SlimFast, all protein, they just weren’t healthy. So this, I’m just flabbergasted that I’m eating salads two times a day and vegetables two times a day, and fruits.

Caren DeCesaris:

But you have the balance, it sounds like. I mean, and moving forward, you’ll be able to have the balance because your system and your body is just going to want naturally natural food that natural humans should naturally want.

Joan Fee:

And I did. The night and the morning after I had that cake and ice cream with my mom, I didn’t feel good.

Caren DeCesaris:

You noticed the difference.

Joan Fee:

So that was week one. And I’m just going, okay, I don’t need this. So yeah.

Caren DeCesaris:

You’ve changed your mind. Yeah. Because you realize how you want to feel, but you don’t know how you want to feel until you feel it. And sometimes, other diets, there’s so many diets in the world. And sometimes they can be kind of like cover uppers, right? Almost like taking Tylenol. You take the Tylenol, you cover up your fever, but then it comes back. So really, diets, I mean, there’s such a thing that they’re sold, right? Sold to people like, oh, this works, that works. But really what they should be is just relearning, and then being able to see a new way, and then see clearly.

Joan Fee:

Right. And the program’s made it so easy. Like I said, the cooking, you can batch cook. Freeze it. Buy a big thing of lettuce and add in a few things. And it’s kind of a no brainer.

Caren DeCesaris:

So what are some of your other favorite recipes, I’m curious, that you love cooking?

Joan Fee:

My favorite. I love, too much actually, the beef satay.

Caren DeCesaris:

Okay. Satay.

Joan Fee:

Satay. Love that. Just the flavors of it. Sloppy Joes, love that. A lot of times I just make it into a salad because it is too sloppy.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. No, it’s good.

Joan Fee:

And then the orange chicken. I mean, I just do a whole big thing of that and…

Caren DeCesaris:

People love that one, the orange chicken.

Joan Fee:

Yeah. I mean, those are three basics. So I promised my coach-

Caren DeCesaris:

What do you like to have for breakfast? I’m curious.

Joan Fee:

And this being diabetic, doing keto, I always woke up and had sausage, eggs, and that was probably it. Occasionally I might slice up some zucchini, saute it a little bit, put it in there to think I’m eating healthy. So that was usually about 7:00 in the morning. So I’m not eating breakfast until about 10:00 now. There was a whole fight thing. I mean the, ooh, I have to eat fruit, and oh, I can’t eat breakfast. So it wasn’t a struggle. I was very surprised. I had told myself over the years, oh, you have to have breakfast because otherwise you start to get queasy, and all of that.

Caren DeCesaris:

But were you drinking water first thing in the morning before-

Joan Fee:

Oh yeah. I drink actually, organic black tea. That’s my caffeine thing. But usually a little medley, apples, blueberries, couple of strawberries. I live at the fruit basket of the world basically. So I’m fortunate to have all that good stuff around. So that’s breakfast. Usually just the little medley. And when I go for my walk at about 2:00 to 3:00, halfway through, I’m able to stop and go sit on a rock and actually taste and enjoy my break. I put my apple on my knee and take a picture of it for my coach.

Joan Fee:

And one of the things that I have wanted to do for a long time is just kick back and relax. And since I do live in a beach community, one of my goals was to just go sit on the beach for 15 minutes or half an hour. I have ADHD. So that was not in my realm of possibilities because I’m always on the go, always going on to the next thing. So now I take my snack, and that is kind of my little fun time sitting for half an hour on the beach, and eating my apple, and then going on my way. So that’s been another kind of eye-opener. It’s like, okay, take time for yourself. Doing that half hour sitting on the beach did great things for your mind and your soul. And that stuff will still be at home waiting for you to do.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. And you mentioned earlier the food prep being a big thing. That was a game changer for you. And that has to do with discipline and planning. And a lot of times it’s like, oh, we don’t want to do that because we want to be flexible. But you being able to do that is also showing you, hey, I can pave out time for myself. I can pave out time for this. The world isn’t going to end. It’s going to be okay. There’s time.

Joan Fee:

The prep day, I’m not real big on that because I like to cook. And so I’ll cook three, four different recipes throughout the week, and then I’ll have the leftovers. So there isn’t a whole lot of prep for me. And like I said, I have the big bulk salads and cherry tomatoes, and that’s your salad. And saute up some vegetables. So I kind of liked that whole process.

Caren DeCesaris:

It’s finding what works for you. Yeah. I mean, you’re given tools and then you can kind of pave your way with them. And then you have your coach. So tell me a little bit about how you’ve loved working with your coach.

Joan Fee:

She’s awesome. Actually, we have become friends so it’s quite nice. You can cut this out if you need to. She’s planning a trip out here in a couple of months. And so I’m going to show her some hiking trails and stuff.

Caren DeCesaris:

I love that. That’s awesome.

Joan Fee:

She used to work in ceramics. So we had that in common and stuff. So it’s very nice to have that personal connection too. But the guidance. And I love my nuts. So I saw them on the list. I’m going, oh, okay, nuts. So I didn’t realize they were an energy booster. So I was just having nuts a couple of times a day, going okay. Because before I’d eat a cup, maybe go back for some more. And so she just reminded me that those are energy boosters for when you’re exercising. So lovely little hints like that, and just a nice little good morning message in the morning, or good job. So very supportive. Yeah.

Caren DeCesaris:

Good. Yeah. It’s support and accountability. And I love that, she reminds you of that too. And also, I mean, it’s kind do what works for you, right? You know that, you know that they’re energy boosters. And also, you said you like to move a lot. But also it sounds like you’re liking to move a lot more now that you have the energy to move.

Joan Fee:

Right. Yeah. And COVID has put a spin on this in that I’m housebound most of the time. So it’s put a twist on this. And this is something that I’ve been talking to my coach about because I am a little concerned. When, I’ll say, I have my freedom again, I really need to keep that mindset, like we were talking about earlier, instead of just stopping by McDonald’s. And it’s interesting when I’m out meeting some customers and things. Yeah, I’ll go to McDonald’s, I’ll pick up an ice tea. But usually it’d be, oh, let’s get a little ice cream cone or something like that. And they don’t have salads anymore. So I just need to keep up that making batch meals and stuff that it works for me so that I know that it’s available.

Caren DeCesaris:

Yeah. Yeah. And it’s keeping yourself full with other things so that you aren’t really craving the other things. You don’t really need them.

Joan Fee:

And craving sweets, a couple of times, then I do the apple sprinkled with the lemon juice and a little bit of cinnamon. And I’m like dabbing the apple into the cinnamon, going, ooh, that’s good. It’s the little things. But the cravings, I mean, it’s only happened once or twice, and it went away.

Caren DeCesaris:

But also, you know what that makes me think too is you had the space, right? We’ve been talking about space. You had the space to allow it to go away. It’s not like you’re just going to dive into it because you actually have the space to think, I don’t actually want that. I don’t need it right now. But if you did want it, whatever, you’ll have it.

Joan Fee:

Six weeks ago, I was still doing keto. I’ve got some supposedly low carb, somewhat good for you, chocolate candy bars in my pantry. I haven’t even thought of them. I’ve moved them out of the way to get to something else. But it’s like, I don’t need that.

Caren DeCesaris:

That’s a huge accomplishment. That’s crazy. That’s beautiful. I love it.

Joan Fee:

I’m excited. I’m thankful. I’m grateful.

Caren DeCesaris:

I’m excited for you. You have a lot to just look forward to, I think, for yourself. I mean, because you’re meeting a whole new version of yourself. And I mean, this is the first time you said in 40 years that you have been back at this weight. But again, now you’re at this weight with whole new version of you, different tools that you now have under your belt. And it’s really exciting. So I’m curious. What information, what advice you would give to someone is just starting out the program that might feel a little skeptic, a little scared?

Joan Fee:

Trust. Trust that it’s going to work. I know it’s hard. Like I said, I was diabetic. I thought, no oranges, no bananas. I get my first banana in a long, long time on Sunday. So I’m looking forward to that. Or apples even. I mean, my numbers would skyrocket. And so I just eliminated those, but I’d have chocolate and stuff. So my mindset was totally wrong. So trust. Don’t be overwhelmed because it’ll all fall into place the first few days. Maybe get one, two, three recipes that you really like. Start from there, and then go on from there. But trust. And the adrenal drink, drinking orange juice. Orange juice was not a part of my life for years and years because it would supposedly spike my sugar. So yeah. Trust, and don’t be overwhelmed because it does get easy. Now it’s just kind of like, okay, I know I have that sloppy Joe stuff for when we’re done. I’ve got some romaine lettuce. Let’s go put that together for lunch. Little prep, and you’re on your way.

Caren DeCesaris:

Well, you are going to be so helpful for other people. Just them hearing this, they’re going to be like, “We love you Joan. Thank you.” I want to ask one more thing that we’re going to ask everyone at the end of these interviews. So if someone were to come up to you, just a random stranger in an elevator or at the beach, and they were to say, “Joan, how do I live better? How do I live better?” What advice would you give them? What’s the first thing that comes to mind?

Joan Fee:

Eat better. Incorporate vegetables, incorporate fruit. Because when you have those, then you’re not going to need all this junk stuff. The organic beef. I never bought anything organic in my life, I don’t think. And so it’s just, you taste things now if you have the right fruits and vegetables and meats. Life is just coming open because of the food choices I’m making.

Caren DeCesaris:

I love that. I’m so excited for you. I’m so happy for you.

Joan Fee:

Thank you.

Caren DeCesaris:

You have so much to look forward to. And just right now, you’re living it. So I’m so excited for you. Thank you so much, Joan, for sharing all that.

Joan Fee:

You’re welcome. Thank you.